{"id":9580,"date":"2011-07-02T20:54:57","date_gmt":"2011-07-02T18:54:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/spanish.martinvarsavsky.net\/?p=9580"},"modified":"2012-12-14T16:44:46","modified_gmt":"2012-12-14T15:44:46","slug":"los-israelies-y-los-palestinos-no-estan-en-paz-pero-tampoco-en-guerra","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/spanish.martinvarsavsky.net\/?p=9580","title":{"rendered":"Los israel\u00edes y los palestinos no est\u00e1n en paz (pero tampoco en guerra)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<p>Muchos son los que dicen que no puede haber paz entre israel\u00eds y <a href=\"http:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Palestinos\">palestinos<\/a>, pero yo creo que se equivocan. Algo parecido a una paz ya existe, o por lo menos podemos estar de acuerdo en que hoy en d\u00eda no hay guerra. Durante los \u00faltimos 2 a\u00f1os, hubo relativamente pocos muertos por el conflicto <a href=\"http:\/\/\">israel\u00ed-palestino<\/a> ( para ser exactos hubo 268 <a href=\"http:\/\/old.btselem.org\/statistics\/english\/Casualties.asp?sD=19&amp;sM=01&amp;sY=2009&amp;filterby=event&amp;oferet_stat=after\">desde Enero de 2009<\/a> &#8211; de los cuales 45 fueron palestinos asesinados\/ejecutados a manos de palestinos) y si a\u00f1ado el t\u00e9rmino \u00abrelativamente\u00bb es en contraposici\u00f3n a lo que ocurre en Irak, Afghanistan, <a href=\"http:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Darfur\">Darfur<\/a> y muchos otros lugares del mundo donde se han producido decenas de miles o centenares de miles de muertes.<\/p>\n<p>Durante mi visita a <a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"Israel\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Israel\" rel=\"wikipedia\">Israel<\/a>, me sorprend\u00ed de ver cu\u00e1ntos palestinos viven actualmente en Israel. \u00a0Este dato no se sabe fuera de Israel. Los \u00e1rabes suponen unos dos millones, y la mayor\u00eda de ellos son palestinos. Ir a la playa en <a href=\"http:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tel_Aviv\">Tel Aviv<\/a> es una imagen m\u00e1gica de la mezcla que existe. Puedes ver a israel\u00edes surfeando junto a las mujeres \u00e1rabes que se meten al agua completamente vestidas, e incluso nadan as\u00ed. \u00a0Creo que la pac\u00edfica convivencia de las playas de Tel Aviv son un ejemplo de como puede ser un futuro pac\u00edfico en Israel.<\/p>\n<p>Pero pese a su terrible fama, si se compara el conflicto israel\u00ed-palestino con cualquiera de las otras guerras que existen en la actualidad se ve que en t\u00e9rminos de mortalidad es el menos agudo. Hice un cuadro comparando el n\u00famero estimado de muertes (contando tambi\u00e9n las civiles) extrayendo los datos \u00b4de la Wikipedia (para el conflicto israel\u00ed-palestino, s\u00f3lo consider\u00e9 los datos desde 1987). En la mayor\u00eda de los casos la diferencia entre los valores estimados m\u00e1s altos y los m\u00e1s bajos son muy grandes, pero las cifras nos dan de todas formas un buena idea de la magnitud de cada conflicto. \u00a0Aqu\u00ed est\u00e1\u00a0el gr\u00e1fico que hice:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-5750\" title=\"Number of casualties\" src=\"https:\/\/english.martinvarsavsky.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/PastedGraphic-6.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"706\" height=\"372\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Y aqu\u00ed dejo un mini documental sobre mi viaje.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"338\" src=\"http:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/25690139?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0\" width=\"601\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Termino diciendo que yo, como muchos, espero que en poco tiempo los Palestinos tengan finalmente el pa\u00eds que se merecen. \u00a0Pero entiendo que los israel\u00edes est\u00e9n temerosos de entregar <a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"West Bank\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/West_Bank\" rel=\"wikipedia\">Cisjordania<\/a> luego de entregar Gaza. \u00a0Cuando los israel\u00edes sacaron a los colonos a la fuerza de Gaza parec\u00eda el comienzo de una nueva \u00e9poca de paz. \u00a0Pero los palestinos cometieron el error de elegir a un partido pol\u00edtico, <a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"Hamas\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hamas\" rel=\"wikipedia\">Hamas<\/a> cuyo objetivo es la destrucci\u00f3n de Israel y est\u00e1 apoyado por Ir\u00e1n y aliado de Hizbol\u00e1. \u00a0Cuando desde Hamas comenzaron los ataques con cohetes sobre Israel, los israel\u00edes cometieron el error de contra atacar con extrema dureza matando a unas 1200 personas y la creaci\u00f3n del estado Palestino qued\u00f3 en limbo. \u00a0Mi deseo es que los israel\u00edes cambien el gobierno intransigente que tienen y que los Palestinos cambien a Hamas. \u00a0As\u00ed es probable que se encuentren un grupo de negociadores razonables que logren conseguir la anhelada paz.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"zemanta-pixie\" style=\"margin-top: 10px; height: 15px;\"><a class=\"zemanta-pixie-a\" title=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zemanta.com\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"zemanta-pixie-img\" style=\"border: none; float: right;\" src=\"http:\/\/img.zemanta.com\/zemified_e.png?x-id=ebd91104-de1f-4717-a43d-bfc2b1d167a8\" alt=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div id=\"mainphotoarea\"><\/div><div class=\"theme-buttons\"><div class=\"fb-like\" data-href=\"https:\/\/spanish.martinvarsavsky.net\/?p=9580\" data-send=\"false\" data-layout=\"box_count\" data-width=\"71\" data-show-faces=\"false\" data-font=\"arial\" data-locale=\"es_ES\"><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Muchos son los que dicen que no puede haber paz entre israel\u00eds y palestinos, pero yo creo que se equivocan. Algo parecido a una paz ya existe, o por lo menos podemos estar de acuerdo en que hoy en d\u00eda no hay guerra. Durante los \u00faltimos 2 a\u00f1os, hubo relativamente pocos muertos por el conflicto [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2077,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[1112,223],"class_list":["post-9580","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-medio-oriente","tag-conflicto-israeli-palestino","tag-israel"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 5.0.3 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"max-image-preview:large\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Site Default\"\/>\n\t<meta name=\"keywords\" content=\"conflicto israel\u00ed-palestino,israel,medio oriente\" \/>\n\t<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/spanish.martinvarsavsky.net\/?p=9580\" \/>\n\t\t<meta name=\"generator\" content=\"All in One SEO (AIOSEO) 5.0.3\" \/>\n\t\t<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"es_ES\" 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